On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Constantinople wrote:
> Guilherme <groschke@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0307061721210.12116-100000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Constantinople wrote:
> >
> >> Guilherme <groschke@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
> >> news:Pine.GSO.4.44.0307061514330.12116-100000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, Constantinople wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Then I would owe Bill Gates money. That's not the same as being
> >> >> enslaved.
> >> >>
> >> >> To recap, Guilherme claimed that what matters is a person's
> >> >> absolute level of wealth, and therefore the poor will be enslaved
> >> >> by the rich. I pointed out that what matters is not his level of
> >> >> wealth, but rather WHAT HE HAS TO GAIN in the particular case,
> >> >> because THAT is what determines how hard he is willing to fight
> >> >> and therefore his chances of winning the dispute. Second, I
> >> >> pointed out that a slave has more to gain from his freedom than a
> >> >> master has to gain from his enslavement.
> >> >>
> >> >> So Guilherme's point is refuted.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > i'm arguing what one has to gain, but also including what one
> >> > can
> >> > afford. i'd have a lot to gain from a medical degree, but i can't
> >> > really afford to take one now. the point is not refuted.
> >>
> >> Borrow.
> >>
> > well. firstly,i can't borrow time. money, i can borrow to go to
> > school -- subsidized govt loans help, don't know if i have good enough
> > credit to get private loans to cover the rest. i wonder what kind of
> > credit rating a slave has.
>
> What are you talking about? I was talking about a free person preventing
> himself from being enslaved.
i thought the discussion was whether slavery can exist in
anarcho-capitalism.
>
> You want to talk about slaves escaping and slave revolts and free people
> helping slaves? That's actually happened. Famous cases were put down by
> states. Repeat, by states. Repeat, by states. By states. Sinking in?
> Spartacus, John Brown, Nat Turner.
i know states have helped to protect property in the form of
slaves. thats not at debate.
-gr
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