Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will

> From: "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will
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> "Donna Evleth" <devleth@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> From: "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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>>> John Rennie wrote:
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>>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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>>>> wrote
>>>> in message news:486FA6EC.DBE3F26E@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> John Rennie wrote:
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>>>>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>> in message news:486E847C.4C0C71AD@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> abelard wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:21:20 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'Donovan"
>>>>>>>>> <Xentinc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Does this guy stand for ANYTHING?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> of course he stands for something....
>>>>>>>>> getting as many brainless idiots as possible to vote for him
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And here Bush only needed five votes.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It should be noted that Bush won the election in Florida at each
>>>>>>> break point and at each recount. He also got more electoral
college
>>>>>>> votes than Gore. So the SC was just going with the will of the
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Confirm you mean the will of the Florida voters and not the will of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> American people.    You will remember that Gore gathered half a
>>>>>> million
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> votes than Bush nationally in 2000.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know that since there is no national vote for president.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that, Bill.   However, more Americans voted for Gore than
voted
>>>> for
>>>> Bush in 2000 so 'the will of the people' was for Gore.
>>>> 
>>> You can't know that more Americans voted for Gore because there's
>>> no national vote. I just said that, you agreed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The last time the
>>>> popular vote did not elect a President was in 1888.    AFAIAC it was
the
>>>> fault of the third candidate, Nader, who secured 90,000 votes in
Florida
>>>> that let the worst candidate ever to be elected President.
>>>> 
>>> Bush's brother was governor of Florida. Florida is a Republican
>>> state. Bush easily won Florida in 2004. Bush is also a very good if
>>> not great president.
>> 
>> Please give us some concrete examples of Bush's "goodness" and
>> "greatness".
>> All I see is a failed war, a flagging economy, a monstrous national
debt,
>> and a loss of prestige and respect abroad.  I believe that Bush is
>> arguably
>> the worst president the United States has ever had.  What evidence do
you
>> have to make me believe otherwise?  BTW, I am not alone in my belief. 
And
>> there are conservatives who join me in this opinion.  Including some
who
>> post on this group.
>> 
> Let me suggest that what you see is looking through the situation where
your
> own internal biases which are affecting how clearly you can see.  But in
any
> event, you or I may have an opinion about Bush that differes
dramatically,
> but it is not you nor I who will determine his Presidency, it will be
some
> group of historians who will do that, and they will do that most likely
long
> after you and I are no longer on this earth.

I know that the last word goes to the historians, being one.  That's why I
said "arguably".  

Donna Evleth
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