Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will

> From: "Bill Bonde { ''Soylent Diesel is People'')"
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> Subject: Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will
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> Donna Evleth wrote:
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>>> From: "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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>>> Organization: Our legacy is not the lives we lived but the lives we
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>>> Subject: Re: Does Barack Hussein Obama stand for anything? Now he will
>>> "rethink"Iraq troop pullout position
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>>> John Rennie wrote:
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>>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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>>>> wrote
>>>> in message news:486FA6EC.DBE3F26E@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> John Rennie wrote:
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>>>>>> "Bill Bonde { ''Direct And On Point'')"
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>>>>>> wrote
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>>>>>>> Jeffrey Turner wrote:
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>>>>>>>> abelard wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 06:21:20 -0700 (PDT), "PJ O'Donovan"
>>>>>>>>> <Xentinc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> Does this guy stand for ANYTHING?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> of course he stands for something....
>>>>>>>>> getting as many brainless idiots as possible to vote for him
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And here Bush only needed five votes.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It should be noted that Bush won the election in Florida at each
>>>>>>> break point and at each recount. He also got more electoral
college
>>>>>>> votes than Gore. So the SC was just going with the will of the
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Confirm you mean the will of the Florida voters and not the will of
the
>>>>>> American people.    You will remember that Gore gathered half a
million
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> votes than Bush nationally in 2000.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know that since there is no national vote for president.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that, Bill.   However, more Americans voted for Gore than
voted for
>>>> Bush in 2000 so 'the will of the people' was for Gore.
>>>> 
>>> You can't know that more Americans voted for Gore because there's
>>> no national vote. I just said that, you agreed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The last time the
>>>> popular vote did not elect a President was in 1888.    AFAIAC it was
the
>>>> fault of the third candidate, Nader, who secured 90,000 votes in
Florida
>>>> that let the worst candidate ever to be elected President.
>>>> 
>>> Bush's brother was governor of Florida. Florida is a Republican
>>> state. Bush easily won Florida in 2004. Bush is also a very good if
>>> not great president.
>> 
>> Please give us some concrete examples of Bush's "goodness" and
"greatness".
>> All I see is a failed war,
>> 
> Really? So as the effort in Iraq succeeds, you'll have to revise
> your views, right?

I will wait to see the success before I revise.  To date, I'm still
waiting.
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> 
>> a flagging economy,
>> 
> It's called the business cycle.

I don't remember a subprime mortgage debacle being part of any business
cycle I have ever seen before.
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> 
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>> a monstrous national debt,
>> 
> A new problem, nope.

Has there ever been a national debt this large?  It's the size that's the
problem, not whether or not it is new.  Of course it isn't a new problem.
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>> and a loss of prestige and respect abroad.
>> 
> I think that's completely wrong. Under Clinton, the US was a paper
> tiger. Under Bush, countries could expect the possiblity that Bush
> would use force. That increases respect.

With Bush we have seen not the misuse of force.  This does not increase
respect.  A quagmire war is the misuse of force.
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> 
> 
>> I believe that Bush is arguably
>> the worst president the United States has ever had.
>> 
> I think he's one of the best.
> 
> 
>> What evidence do you
>> have to make me believe otherwise?
>> 
> About the last eight years.

Ohboyohboyohboy!
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> 
>> BTW, I am not alone in my belief.  And
>> there are conservatives who join me in this opinion.  Including some
who
>> post on this group.
>> 
> What group is this?

This is alt.activism.death-penalty.

Donna Evleth
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